Our 1 year is on the 30th too.
I just went to JC Penneys & Sears to get approval so I can use the photos they took in our updated profile book.
JC Penney's was a DREAM! No problem, even gave it to me for free.
Sears was a HASSLE! Tried to sell it to me for $25 PER PICTURE!!!!!! so every 5x7 every 8 1/2 x 11 or whatever!!! Finally I called when I got home and they called headquarters and we got it down to just $25 per session (there were 2 sessions).
JC Penneys is really very helpful and friendly to me today! I praise God for that!
Ok . . . gotta get some work done.
Saturday, November 21, 2009
Friday, November 20, 2009
October 13, 2008
The fees on the website are accurate . . . but it is true . . . you do have to add:
$3000 if you want an open adoption
and on top of that, $4000 if you want a semi-open adoption where you communicate through Bethany. If you just get an email account to exchange info, say, gmail, msn, yahoo, hotmail . . . then it doesn't cost the additional 4000. But you still would pay the $3000. That 3000 covers Bethany negotiating and executing the open adoption agreement between all parties.
I hope this helps! :D
Oh, if it should fail, the part where you pay the hospital? It's in that breakdown of who gets what payments, that is I believe the part you pay again if it fails and you need to return for a 2nd or 3rd transfer.
Something else you asked, you suggested it was odd thinking you'd be responsible for embryos not created by you. That's no different than domestic infant adoption ;)
If you're referring to having "remaining embryos" after you do say 1 transfer . . . unless you "reserve" them, they go back to the original placing parents. I believe you have 1 year, either after transfer or birth (can't remember, but they do let you know when) to let them know you desire to reserve the grouping for possible genetic siblings.
This is the part that is repeated if you have to do a 2nd or 3rd cycle:
Hospital/Facility Fees
1. Embryology Laboratory Fee 550.00
2. Facility Fee 700.00
3. Assisted Hatching 350.00
TOTAL 1600.00
Oh! That doesn't mean it's the for a 2nd or 3rd child from the group of embryos though! It's just if it doesn't work the first time . . . etc.
Oh, and I don't remember what they said happens with the open adoption fees for 2nd or 3rd transfers or additional matches or refunds. You'd have to ask them to send you that paperwork. They do have it that they can email it to you.
Oh, lemmie see if I can find it . . .
[quote]Openness Planning and Services
These services are applicable to all couples choosing to pursue an open donation agreement plan.
Clinical services and communication exchange support are services provided from donor match through pregnancy, birth and one year post birth. These services will also be provided in support of up to three transfer attempts with the same donor embryos, involving up to two open donors matched during the same cycles of transfer.
• Cost: $3000 *
• Payment: Prior to completion of the open donation agreement, Bethany Christian Services will send an invoice for payment as appropriate.
* In the event that a couple completes up to three embryo transfers with the same donor embryos, with NO resulting birth, $500 will be refunded upon service closure.
Communication Exchange Facilitation Services
These services are an elective option for couples who chose an openness plan AND prefer to utilize a professional to facilitate exchanges of information on their behalf.
These services extend counseling support and communication exchange between donor and adoptive couples through the child’s 6th birthday, at which time the couples may elect to extend these services, or transition into a plan that allows them to exchange information more directly. Bethany Christian Services will support couples in their individual plans and prepare, support and educate both donor and adoptive couples to a position of more direct exchanges of communication, as may be comfortable.
• Cost: $4,000 * (an elective service for couples choosing to pursue an open donation plan)
• Payment: Upon selection of this elective service, which will be determined during the open donation agreement process, Bethany will send an invoice for service payment prior to finalization of the open donation agreement.
* In the event that birth does not occur following up to three embryo transfer attempts, this service fee will be refunded in full.
[/quote]
No, the 3000 is not including the homestudy. But there was an estimate for the homestudy in the original fees.
This is the other 1/2 of that document, which helps explain homestudies:
[quote]CLINICAL SERVICE DESCRIPTION
Home Study:
A current home study assessment from a licensed child placing agency is required by the National Embryo Donation Center.
You may choose to use Bethany Christian Services or an agency of your choice to complete the study.
Typically, fees for adoptive home study assessments vary by geographic region and organizational fee structure.
Payment for the home study should be rendered directly to the organization that completes it.
Home Study Referral, Support and Review:
Bethany Christian Services, on behalf of the National Embryo Donation Center, provides support and assistance to all couples related to the home study assessment process. Bethany will assist families in seeking and finding a licensed child placing agency willing to provide a home study assessment for a couple who wishes to adopt an embryo.
Bethany is able to provide agency referrals for adopting couples, both within and outside of their organizational structure.
Further, Bethany will provide support and service to the adoption agency completing the home study assessment. Because embryo adoption is a very new and emerging area, Bethany provides education, assistance and support to agencies that are unfamiliar with the completion of embryo adoption assessments.
Once the home study has been completed, it is the National Embryo Donation Center’s policy that each study be forwarded to, reviewed and assessed by Bethany prior to acceptance into their Embryo Donation and Adoption program.
Once an approved home study has been completed, you should request to sign a release authorizing the completing agency to submit the Adoption Home Study to:
Embryo Services – 2nd floor
Bethany Christian Services
901 Eastern Ave. NE
Grand Rapids, MI 49503
Upon receipt, a clinician from Bethany’s Embryo Services Department will review and assess the home study for completeness and compliance with the standards of the National Embryo Donation Center. Following review, approved home studies will be sent to the NEDC.
Open Donation and Planning Services
For couples who are interested in communication exchange with the embryo donors, the NEDC mandates that a signed Open Donation Agreement Contract be facilitated and signed by each party.
This agreement provides definition regarding the type and frequency of communication exchange that will take place. As the facilitator of these agreements, Bethany will provide counseling, education and support to both the donors and the adoptive couples who make a plan for openness. Bethany will provide both individual counseling and assessment, and negotiation of the terms of the agreement. Bethany will complete the legal documentation for the agreement and work with all parties through the notarization and signature process. Bethany will also provide support and services to couples as they begin to share information back and forth through this process.
Communication Exchange Facilitation Services
For couples who desire some type of openness within their adoption plan, but prefer to have the exchange of information be handled by a professional, Bethany offers communication exchange facilitation services. These services allow a couple to exchange information at a predetermined level of frequency and offer the support that some families prefer of allowing these communications to occur anonymously and under the direction of an embryo adoption professional.
SERVICE FEES
Adoptive Home Study Fee
• Cost: varies by geographic region/organizational fee structure
• Payment: Payment should be rendered directly to the organization that completes the home study assessment
Home Study Referral, Support and Review Fee
• Cost: $300 if study is authored by an agency outside of Bethany Christian Services; this fee is waived for couples completing a home study through Bethany Christian Services
• Payment: Upon receipt of the home study assessment, Bethany Christian Services will send an invoice for payment, as appropriate
[/quote]
OOOPS!!! Boo boo on my part . . . I forgot 1/2 the fees for repeating!
These are the fees that could be repeated:
Monitoring/Embryo Transfer Fees
1. Embryo Transfer 650.00
2. Monitoring Fee 250.00
3. Ultra Sounds 175.00
Total 1075.00
Hospital/Facility Fees
1. Embryology Laboratory Fee 550.00
2. Facility Fee 700.00
3. Assisted Hatching 350.00
TOTAL 1600.00
$3000 if you want an open adoption
and on top of that, $4000 if you want a semi-open adoption where you communicate through Bethany. If you just get an email account to exchange info, say, gmail, msn, yahoo, hotmail . . . then it doesn't cost the additional 4000. But you still would pay the $3000. That 3000 covers Bethany negotiating and executing the open adoption agreement between all parties.
I hope this helps! :D
Oh, if it should fail, the part where you pay the hospital? It's in that breakdown of who gets what payments, that is I believe the part you pay again if it fails and you need to return for a 2nd or 3rd transfer.
Something else you asked, you suggested it was odd thinking you'd be responsible for embryos not created by you. That's no different than domestic infant adoption ;)
If you're referring to having "remaining embryos" after you do say 1 transfer . . . unless you "reserve" them, they go back to the original placing parents. I believe you have 1 year, either after transfer or birth (can't remember, but they do let you know when) to let them know you desire to reserve the grouping for possible genetic siblings.
This is the part that is repeated if you have to do a 2nd or 3rd cycle:
Hospital/Facility Fees
1. Embryology Laboratory Fee 550.00
2. Facility Fee 700.00
3. Assisted Hatching 350.00
TOTAL 1600.00
Oh! That doesn't mean it's the for a 2nd or 3rd child from the group of embryos though! It's just if it doesn't work the first time . . . etc.
Oh, and I don't remember what they said happens with the open adoption fees for 2nd or 3rd transfers or additional matches or refunds. You'd have to ask them to send you that paperwork. They do have it that they can email it to you.
Oh, lemmie see if I can find it . . .
[quote]Openness Planning and Services
These services are applicable to all couples choosing to pursue an open donation agreement plan.
Clinical services and communication exchange support are services provided from donor match through pregnancy, birth and one year post birth. These services will also be provided in support of up to three transfer attempts with the same donor embryos, involving up to two open donors matched during the same cycles of transfer.
• Cost: $3000 *
• Payment: Prior to completion of the open donation agreement, Bethany Christian Services will send an invoice for payment as appropriate.
* In the event that a couple completes up to three embryo transfers with the same donor embryos, with NO resulting birth, $500 will be refunded upon service closure.
Communication Exchange Facilitation Services
These services are an elective option for couples who chose an openness plan AND prefer to utilize a professional to facilitate exchanges of information on their behalf.
These services extend counseling support and communication exchange between donor and adoptive couples through the child’s 6th birthday, at which time the couples may elect to extend these services, or transition into a plan that allows them to exchange information more directly. Bethany Christian Services will support couples in their individual plans and prepare, support and educate both donor and adoptive couples to a position of more direct exchanges of communication, as may be comfortable.
• Cost: $4,000 * (an elective service for couples choosing to pursue an open donation plan)
• Payment: Upon selection of this elective service, which will be determined during the open donation agreement process, Bethany will send an invoice for service payment prior to finalization of the open donation agreement.
* In the event that birth does not occur following up to three embryo transfer attempts, this service fee will be refunded in full.
[/quote]
No, the 3000 is not including the homestudy. But there was an estimate for the homestudy in the original fees.
This is the other 1/2 of that document, which helps explain homestudies:
[quote]CLINICAL SERVICE DESCRIPTION
Home Study:
A current home study assessment from a licensed child placing agency is required by the National Embryo Donation Center.
You may choose to use Bethany Christian Services or an agency of your choice to complete the study.
Typically, fees for adoptive home study assessments vary by geographic region and organizational fee structure.
Payment for the home study should be rendered directly to the organization that completes it.
Home Study Referral, Support and Review:
Bethany Christian Services, on behalf of the National Embryo Donation Center, provides support and assistance to all couples related to the home study assessment process. Bethany will assist families in seeking and finding a licensed child placing agency willing to provide a home study assessment for a couple who wishes to adopt an embryo.
Bethany is able to provide agency referrals for adopting couples, both within and outside of their organizational structure.
Further, Bethany will provide support and service to the adoption agency completing the home study assessment. Because embryo adoption is a very new and emerging area, Bethany provides education, assistance and support to agencies that are unfamiliar with the completion of embryo adoption assessments.
Once the home study has been completed, it is the National Embryo Donation Center’s policy that each study be forwarded to, reviewed and assessed by Bethany prior to acceptance into their Embryo Donation and Adoption program.
Once an approved home study has been completed, you should request to sign a release authorizing the completing agency to submit the Adoption Home Study to:
Embryo Services – 2nd floor
Bethany Christian Services
901 Eastern Ave. NE
Grand Rapids, MI 49503
Upon receipt, a clinician from Bethany’s Embryo Services Department will review and assess the home study for completeness and compliance with the standards of the National Embryo Donation Center. Following review, approved home studies will be sent to the NEDC.
Open Donation and Planning Services
For couples who are interested in communication exchange with the embryo donors, the NEDC mandates that a signed Open Donation Agreement Contract be facilitated and signed by each party.
This agreement provides definition regarding the type and frequency of communication exchange that will take place. As the facilitator of these agreements, Bethany will provide counseling, education and support to both the donors and the adoptive couples who make a plan for openness. Bethany will provide both individual counseling and assessment, and negotiation of the terms of the agreement. Bethany will complete the legal documentation for the agreement and work with all parties through the notarization and signature process. Bethany will also provide support and services to couples as they begin to share information back and forth through this process.
Communication Exchange Facilitation Services
For couples who desire some type of openness within their adoption plan, but prefer to have the exchange of information be handled by a professional, Bethany offers communication exchange facilitation services. These services allow a couple to exchange information at a predetermined level of frequency and offer the support that some families prefer of allowing these communications to occur anonymously and under the direction of an embryo adoption professional.
SERVICE FEES
Adoptive Home Study Fee
• Cost: varies by geographic region/organizational fee structure
• Payment: Payment should be rendered directly to the organization that completes the home study assessment
Home Study Referral, Support and Review Fee
• Cost: $300 if study is authored by an agency outside of Bethany Christian Services; this fee is waived for couples completing a home study through Bethany Christian Services
• Payment: Upon receipt of the home study assessment, Bethany Christian Services will send an invoice for payment, as appropriate
[/quote]
OOOPS!!! Boo boo on my part . . . I forgot 1/2 the fees for repeating!
These are the fees that could be repeated:
Monitoring/Embryo Transfer Fees
1. Embryo Transfer 650.00
2. Monitoring Fee 250.00
3. Ultra Sounds 175.00
Total 1075.00
Hospital/Facility Fees
1. Embryology Laboratory Fee 550.00
2. Facility Fee 700.00
3. Assisted Hatching 350.00
TOTAL 1600.00
October 9, 2008 - mock transfer
I think I will have to later find a way to go in and put everything in order. :)
In the meantime, I'm just copying posts over I don't wish to lose.
Hello and thank you to all for praying :D
What a trip!
We left right after 1st service on Sunday. We drove straight from the church. I drove for several hours, then we switched off and Joerg drove for several hours. We finally decided to stop about 1/2 way, just into Indiana. Stayed at Days Inn, and we won't stop there again. Wow needed repairs! Got going and drove another 8-9 hours on Monday, arriving in the evening at our hotel. We test drove the way to the clinic, and had dinner. Then came back to the hotel. It was also a Days Inn and we will never stay there again either. We won't go into how unsanitary we both felt the hotel was . . . but I will say I used to work in a hotel, and well, in all the hotels I've EVER stayed in . . . gotta be the worst. Oh well, just know where we won't stay when we go back for the transfer! :D
Went to the NEDC on Tuesday morning. Was wonderful! Everyone is so friendly! Even the regular clients of the clinic! (They're apparently also a regular RE's office operating out of the same office. So they have the non-profit NEDC & the clinic's private practice there). One of the gals waiting in the lobby was talking about how Dr. K really values the life of all the embryos and makes you sign something to the effect of not discarding or destroying embryos! The paperwork we took with us says they'll pray with us anytime we ask! Wow! :D
So the mock went well, or at least, as well as I expected it to go. My uterus is tipped, more so than most, so yup they first used the regular thing to test, then they went back and decided to try with the bent one too, because they figured more than likely they'd need to use the bent tube thing. bendable? Anyway, it all went well. Except . . . they could not find my ovaries. Doesn't matter how many times I warn people my ovaries are high, they just invariably don't like to believe me. So he said it wasn't really necessary to find them, because if there was a big cyst it would show up. Hmm. Anyway, he did draw an E2 level. I'm on Estrace 3x a day and now they added prometrium, 2x a day for 5 days together with the Estrace. Then I stop it and when AF comes I go on Seasonal bcp's (my af doesn't come unless it's helped anyway) and then I just keep steady on that, ignoring the "sugar pills" as they do not want me to have af so they can schedule things.
I'll be going back sometime in January for my transfer. We did end up going anonymous. We flat out told him that we were completely agreeable to open adoptions right up until they changed the fee schedule for open adoptions on us after we were already in the program. He said he understood with the economy. The coordinators who we spoke with later said they were keeping "tallys" of the # who were saying they were deterred by the additional fees for open adoptions. So 4-6 weeks before the appointment (which we don't have yet, we get it after we chose our embies) we get the profiles to look through. First they send a fax with basic info, then when we chose our matches (we chose at least 1 back-up, and at least 5 embryos) they send us the complete profile (medical etc, but anonymous info). If ever there is a medical emergency, we contact the NEDC and they will contact the families involved. Oh, so we do genetic testing if they do have to use the back-up and the original choices together, to be sure which family we're together with. BTW, this is Dr. K: [url="http://www.baby4me.net/director.shtml"]http://www.baby4me.net/director.shtml[/url]
So when we do the meds, it will be Lupron, Estrace, PIO (I'm to look up what oil it was I had the reaction to, so they can order a different oil), um. . . . some antibiotic, I think albuterol?, and I think um. . . I should really look these last ones up! Starts with a V I think, a painkiller, and 3 ibuprofin. I'll look up those last ones to be clear what they were a little later. I have the prescription to send in. He wants me back on Metformin to prevent miscarriage.
They went over success rates with FET. He said 42% at their clinic with the EA. He also went over things like preterm labor is common with FET's in general, even with singletons, which surprised me. I always thought that fact came from the multiples, so was surprised they find it to be so common with singletons too! And he wants me to walk 1 hour every day because it's really healthy and helps with hormone levels etc. And the paperwork they gave us to read over, includes that we are to have horizontal fellowship the night before the transfer. Something about it actually helps with transfer & implantation! Of course, then we have to abstain, I think it was for a week?
So we were at the clinic for something like 9 to 12, then grabbed a 6" sub at Subway, and headed back for home. Drove again about 8-9 hours each day. Drove slightly different on the way home. But spent the night at a Motel 6 on the way back. Seemed to be brand new. Unfortunately, we were next to a smoking room, and for whatever reason, if they smoked, it kinda seeped into our room too. Really bad for allergies and esp. for Joerg's asthma. Oh well. It was clean! And if we stay there again,, we'll just be sure to ask for a non-smoking room on the other side of the building from the smoking rooms! Ugh. :) We made it back home last night!
The drive was beautiful! The leaves in TN are all turning different colors of reds and oranges and yellows! Just breathtaking! I mean, they're turning in MN, and then you drive through corn fields and green trees, then suddenly you get mountains and color again! Just beautiful! We drove through some rain and some sunshine too.
Oh, the matches have to be the same level, so 1 cell, 6-8 cell, or blastocyst. So if we get different donors, they have to be the same level. And then, if they do have to go into our 2nd match (say they don't have enough to transfer because first match has 2 and the one didn't survive the thaw) then they require genetic testing to determine who the match is, in case it's needed later, and so we can be sure of the medical background.
Ok, so my prescription is for: Leuprolide, Estrace, Progesterone in oil (currently cottonseed, but I need to look which I had the reaction to yet), Valium, Seasonale.
Then we also have: Doxycycline, Advil, & Albuterol pills for transfer. Hmm. I see I continue the Estrace after the transfer, in addition to the PIO shots.
Oh! So at the Knoxville location, they do transfers every other month, and mock cycles every other month. And the reason we don't have a specific date yet is because they allow those patients who had a failed transfer first chance at dates.
Love,
Julie
In the meantime, I'm just copying posts over I don't wish to lose.
Hello and thank you to all for praying :D
What a trip!
We left right after 1st service on Sunday. We drove straight from the church. I drove for several hours, then we switched off and Joerg drove for several hours. We finally decided to stop about 1/2 way, just into Indiana. Stayed at Days Inn, and we won't stop there again. Wow needed repairs! Got going and drove another 8-9 hours on Monday, arriving in the evening at our hotel. We test drove the way to the clinic, and had dinner. Then came back to the hotel. It was also a Days Inn and we will never stay there again either. We won't go into how unsanitary we both felt the hotel was . . . but I will say I used to work in a hotel, and well, in all the hotels I've EVER stayed in . . . gotta be the worst. Oh well, just know where we won't stay when we go back for the transfer! :D
Went to the NEDC on Tuesday morning. Was wonderful! Everyone is so friendly! Even the regular clients of the clinic! (They're apparently also a regular RE's office operating out of the same office. So they have the non-profit NEDC & the clinic's private practice there). One of the gals waiting in the lobby was talking about how Dr. K really values the life of all the embryos and makes you sign something to the effect of not discarding or destroying embryos! The paperwork we took with us says they'll pray with us anytime we ask! Wow! :D
So the mock went well, or at least, as well as I expected it to go. My uterus is tipped, more so than most, so yup they first used the regular thing to test, then they went back and decided to try with the bent one too, because they figured more than likely they'd need to use the bent tube thing. bendable? Anyway, it all went well. Except . . . they could not find my ovaries. Doesn't matter how many times I warn people my ovaries are high, they just invariably don't like to believe me. So he said it wasn't really necessary to find them, because if there was a big cyst it would show up. Hmm. Anyway, he did draw an E2 level. I'm on Estrace 3x a day and now they added prometrium, 2x a day for 5 days together with the Estrace. Then I stop it and when AF comes I go on Seasonal bcp's (my af doesn't come unless it's helped anyway) and then I just keep steady on that, ignoring the "sugar pills" as they do not want me to have af so they can schedule things.
I'll be going back sometime in January for my transfer. We did end up going anonymous. We flat out told him that we were completely agreeable to open adoptions right up until they changed the fee schedule for open adoptions on us after we were already in the program. He said he understood with the economy. The coordinators who we spoke with later said they were keeping "tallys" of the # who were saying they were deterred by the additional fees for open adoptions. So 4-6 weeks before the appointment (which we don't have yet, we get it after we chose our embies) we get the profiles to look through. First they send a fax with basic info, then when we chose our matches (we chose at least 1 back-up, and at least 5 embryos) they send us the complete profile (medical etc, but anonymous info). If ever there is a medical emergency, we contact the NEDC and they will contact the families involved. Oh, so we do genetic testing if they do have to use the back-up and the original choices together, to be sure which family we're together with. BTW, this is Dr. K: [url="http://www.baby4me.net/director.shtml"]http://www.baby4me.net/director.shtml[/url]
So when we do the meds, it will be Lupron, Estrace, PIO (I'm to look up what oil it was I had the reaction to, so they can order a different oil), um. . . . some antibiotic, I think albuterol?, and I think um. . . I should really look these last ones up! Starts with a V I think, a painkiller, and 3 ibuprofin. I'll look up those last ones to be clear what they were a little later. I have the prescription to send in. He wants me back on Metformin to prevent miscarriage.
They went over success rates with FET. He said 42% at their clinic with the EA. He also went over things like preterm labor is common with FET's in general, even with singletons, which surprised me. I always thought that fact came from the multiples, so was surprised they find it to be so common with singletons too! And he wants me to walk 1 hour every day because it's really healthy and helps with hormone levels etc. And the paperwork they gave us to read over, includes that we are to have horizontal fellowship the night before the transfer. Something about it actually helps with transfer & implantation! Of course, then we have to abstain, I think it was for a week?
So we were at the clinic for something like 9 to 12, then grabbed a 6" sub at Subway, and headed back for home. Drove again about 8-9 hours each day. Drove slightly different on the way home. But spent the night at a Motel 6 on the way back. Seemed to be brand new. Unfortunately, we were next to a smoking room, and for whatever reason, if they smoked, it kinda seeped into our room too. Really bad for allergies and esp. for Joerg's asthma. Oh well. It was clean! And if we stay there again,, we'll just be sure to ask for a non-smoking room on the other side of the building from the smoking rooms! Ugh. :) We made it back home last night!
The drive was beautiful! The leaves in TN are all turning different colors of reds and oranges and yellows! Just breathtaking! I mean, they're turning in MN, and then you drive through corn fields and green trees, then suddenly you get mountains and color again! Just beautiful! We drove through some rain and some sunshine too.
Oh, the matches have to be the same level, so 1 cell, 6-8 cell, or blastocyst. So if we get different donors, they have to be the same level. And then, if they do have to go into our 2nd match (say they don't have enough to transfer because first match has 2 and the one didn't survive the thaw) then they require genetic testing to determine who the match is, in case it's needed later, and so we can be sure of the medical background.
Ok, so my prescription is for: Leuprolide, Estrace, Progesterone in oil (currently cottonseed, but I need to look which I had the reaction to yet), Valium, Seasonale.
Then we also have: Doxycycline, Advil, & Albuterol pills for transfer. Hmm. I see I continue the Estrace after the transfer, in addition to the PIO shots.
Oh! So at the Knoxville location, they do transfers every other month, and mock cycles every other month. And the reason we don't have a specific date yet is because they allow those patients who had a failed transfer first chance at dates.
Love,
Julie
Embryo Adoption Links
I'll have to come back and edit this later. I'm deleting posts from the BCS forums, and I don't want to lose this.
None of the following are in any particular order of importance (just alphabetical (except the news/info!) ;) ). They're all great information and should be looked into before choosing a personal direction:
[size=150]Education/online chats with placers, adoptors, social workers, lawyers, doctors, etc:[/size]
CEDA Education: [url]http://www.cedaeducation.org/home.html[/url]
Embryo Adoption Awareness Campaign: [url]http://www.embryoadoption.org/[/url]
All Things Embryo from Dreaming of Conceiving: [url]http://dreamingofconceiving.com/EMBRYO.aspx[/url]
[size=150]Agencies/Services:[/size]
The Abraham Center of Life, LLC (not full service. They help locate services.) [url]http://www.theabrahamcenteroflife.com/embryodonation.html[/url]
Bethany Christian Services Embryo Adoption In House Program: [url]http://www.bethany.org/A55798/bethanyWWW.nsf/0/1CA188422535A9E8852572750070B241[/url]
Cooper Center Donor Embryo Program: [url]http://www.ccivf.com/embryo_program.html[/url]
Embryos Alive: [url]http://www.embryosalive.com/[/url]
Jacksonville Center for Reproductive Medicine: [url]http://jcrm.org/page.php?page=Services%20Info&id=3[/url]
Miracles Waiting: [url]http://miracleswaiting.org/membersonly3/modules/tinycontent/?id=1[/url]
National Embryo Donation Center (NEDC) (aka National Embryo Adoption Center) [url]http://www.embryodonation.org/index.html[/url]
Nightlight Christian Adoptions (Snowflakes): [url]http://www.nightlight.org/snowflakeadoption.htm[/url]
Prenatal Adoption: [url]http://prenataladoption.com/[/url]
Reprotech: [url]http://www.reprot.com/PApages/donor.html[/url]
You can also find out if your local reproductive endocrinologist has a program (SEVERAL DO!).
Finding a donor clinic:
To find a clinic in your area that handles Donor Embryos, click here: [url]http://www.sart.org/find_frm.html[/url] and enter your zipcode. Click on a clinic name and then click to view their ART data report. At the bottom of the report, it will tell you if they work with Donor Embryos or not. Of these clinics, some have their own in-house supply of Embryos and some require that you locate your own elsewhere and then have them shipped to the clinic. Contact each clinic for details on which options they offer.
Sometimes clinics will work with donor embryos, even if they don't have an in-house program. So you can still contact clinics in that list and double check. A quick phone call is worth a lot. :)
In addition, please be sure to ask who they use for Cryogenic storage etc. Many clinics who do not have a program, refer their clients to the cryogenics places, as many cryogenics places DO have their own donor embryo programs.
[size=150]News/Stories/Informational:[/size]
Embryo Adoption or Embryo Donation?: The Distinction and Its Implications: [url]http://www.cbhd.org/resources/reproductive/cunningham_2003-04-17.htm[/url]
EMBRYO ADOPTION: Saving lives and building families: [url]http://www.christianexaminer.com/Articles/Articles%20Jun06/Art_Jun06_20.html[/url]
Seeing Them for What They Are: [url]http://www2.focusonthefamily.com/focusmagazine/sohl/a000000155.cfm[/url]
Adoption, not Donation: [url]http://www.preconception.com/articles/alternative-family-building/adoption-not-donation-1321/[/url]
For the Least of These: [url]http://www2.focusonthefamily.com/focusmagazine/sohl/a000000110.cfm[/url]
Embryo Adoption I-II: [url]http://resources.family.org/product/cd265.do?code=ol03xrdrc[/url]
Should Fertilized Eggs Have Rights? [url]http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1686729,00.html[/url]
Snowflake Kids: What Should We Do With Frozen Embryos? [url]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1428794/posts[/url]
Frozen Embryo's are a Human Life [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vp7NAsS02Y[/url]
Choosing Embryo Adoption [url]http://www.perspectivespress.com/carembryo.html[/url]
Resolve: Embryo Donation - A Family Building Option
An Online Guide for Potential Recipients of Donated Embryos [url]http://www.resolve.org/site/PageServer?pagename=lrn_wamo_pr[/url]
Resolve: Embryo Donation - A Family Building Option
An Online Guide for Potential Embryo Donors [url]http://www.resolve.org/site/PageServer?pagename=lrn_wamo_pd[/url]
[size=150]Books[/size]
Before You Were Born...Our Wish For A Baby (The Story of Embryo Donation) - by Janice Grimes
Embryo Donation and Embryo Adoption: Loving Choices for Christians - by John D. Van Regenmorter, Slyvia A. Van Regenmorter
Hope & Will Have a Baby: The Gift of Embryo Donation - by Iréné Celcer
A Blessing from Above (Little Golden Book) by Patti Henderson (Author), Elizabeth Edge (Illustrator)
[size=150]Personal Stories![/size]
Lancaster embryo adoption story [url]http://www.truveo.com/Lancaster-embryo-adoption-story/id/1451788909[/url]
Twins adopted as embryos [url]http://www.baptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?id=25943[/url]
EMBRYO ADOPTION: Saving lives and building families [url]http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=23365[/url]
EMBRYO ADOPTION: Unique process was answer to three years of infertility for Houston, Texas couple [url]http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=23366[/url]
EMBRYO ADOPTION: Birth of twins, formerly frozen embryos, gives young couple unique outlook on stem cell debate [url]http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=23372[/url]
EMBRYO ADOPTION: 'It's the cure for infertility,' mother says after giving birth to 2 children through embryo adoption [url]http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=23384[/url]
For This Child I Prayed [url]http://www.bethany.org/A55798/bethanyWWW.nsf/c79edbd86c517a1d852569c800702556/98d1255a5f22fdbe85257289006fa5f7?OpenDocument[/url]
Goodness of God [url]http://www.bethany.org/A55798/bethanyWWW.nsf/c79edbd86c517a1d852569c800702556/b3743aca1e62933d85257289006f62cf?OpenDocument[/url]
[size=150]Other Embryo Adoption Message Boards/Support:[/size]
Bethany Christian Services: [url]http://discussion.bethany.org/index.php[/url]
Cafe Mom: [url]http://www.cafemom.com/[/url]
Child of My Heart: [url]http://s1.zetaboards.com/Child_Of_My_Heart/index/[/url]
Hannah's Prayer: [url]http://hannahsprayer.org/board/index.php?act=idx[/url]
Note: Hannah's Prayer is a private forum. Joining is free. You have to post an intro, and then a total of 10 posts before you see all the forums, including the very active Embryo Adoption forum.
Stepping Stones: [url]http://stepforums.bethany.org/index.php?sid=def9240254aa88e57ca0c50f2bccc435[/url]
[size=150]Canada[/size]
Frozen dreams [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2003/nov/16/health.genetics[/url]
Embryo adoption solves dilemma for Cdn couple [url]http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20020831/embryo_adoption_020831/[/url]
Embryo-adoption program to offer couples last chance: [url]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/RTGAMArticleHTMLTemplate?tf=tgam/realtime/fullstory_print.html&cf=tgam/realtime/config-neutral&articleDate=20020304&slug=wxembry&date=20020304&archive=RTGAM&site=Front[/url]
Another new agency!
[url]http://www.adoptionsfromtheheart.org/heartbeats/index.html[/url]
The program is called Heartbeats, and it is through Adoptions from the Heart.
Another new agency! This one is run by a church! :)
[url]http://adoptanembryo.net/[/url]
Embryo Adoption Services of Cedar Park
None of the following are in any particular order of importance (just alphabetical (except the news/info!) ;) ). They're all great information and should be looked into before choosing a personal direction:
[size=150]Education/online chats with placers, adoptors, social workers, lawyers, doctors, etc:[/size]
CEDA Education: [url]http://www.cedaeducation.org/home.html[/url]
Embryo Adoption Awareness Campaign: [url]http://www.embryoadoption.org/[/url]
All Things Embryo from Dreaming of Conceiving: [url]http://dreamingofconceiving.com/EMBRYO.aspx[/url]
[size=150]Agencies/Services:[/size]
The Abraham Center of Life, LLC (not full service. They help locate services.) [url]http://www.theabrahamcenteroflife.com/embryodonation.html[/url]
Bethany Christian Services Embryo Adoption In House Program: [url]http://www.bethany.org/A55798/bethanyWWW.nsf/0/1CA188422535A9E8852572750070B241[/url]
Cooper Center Donor Embryo Program: [url]http://www.ccivf.com/embryo_program.html[/url]
Embryos Alive: [url]http://www.embryosalive.com/[/url]
Jacksonville Center for Reproductive Medicine: [url]http://jcrm.org/page.php?page=Services%20Info&id=3[/url]
Miracles Waiting: [url]http://miracleswaiting.org/membersonly3/modules/tinycontent/?id=1[/url]
National Embryo Donation Center (NEDC) (aka National Embryo Adoption Center) [url]http://www.embryodonation.org/index.html[/url]
Nightlight Christian Adoptions (Snowflakes): [url]http://www.nightlight.org/snowflakeadoption.htm[/url]
Prenatal Adoption: [url]http://prenataladoption.com/[/url]
Reprotech: [url]http://www.reprot.com/PApages/donor.html[/url]
You can also find out if your local reproductive endocrinologist has a program (SEVERAL DO!).
Finding a donor clinic:
To find a clinic in your area that handles Donor Embryos, click here: [url]http://www.sart.org/find_frm.html[/url] and enter your zipcode. Click on a clinic name and then click to view their ART data report. At the bottom of the report, it will tell you if they work with Donor Embryos or not. Of these clinics, some have their own in-house supply of Embryos and some require that you locate your own elsewhere and then have them shipped to the clinic. Contact each clinic for details on which options they offer.
Sometimes clinics will work with donor embryos, even if they don't have an in-house program. So you can still contact clinics in that list and double check. A quick phone call is worth a lot. :)
In addition, please be sure to ask who they use for Cryogenic storage etc. Many clinics who do not have a program, refer their clients to the cryogenics places, as many cryogenics places DO have their own donor embryo programs.
[size=150]News/Stories/Informational:[/size]
Embryo Adoption or Embryo Donation?: The Distinction and Its Implications: [url]http://www.cbhd.org/resources/reproductive/cunningham_2003-04-17.htm[/url]
EMBRYO ADOPTION: Saving lives and building families: [url]http://www.christianexaminer.com/Articles/Articles%20Jun06/Art_Jun06_20.html[/url]
Seeing Them for What They Are: [url]http://www2.focusonthefamily.com/focusmagazine/sohl/a000000155.cfm[/url]
Adoption, not Donation: [url]http://www.preconception.com/articles/alternative-family-building/adoption-not-donation-1321/[/url]
For the Least of These: [url]http://www2.focusonthefamily.com/focusmagazine/sohl/a000000110.cfm[/url]
Embryo Adoption I-II: [url]http://resources.family.org/product/cd265.do?code=ol03xrdrc[/url]
Should Fertilized Eggs Have Rights? [url]http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1686729,00.html[/url]
Snowflake Kids: What Should We Do With Frozen Embryos? [url]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1428794/posts[/url]
Frozen Embryo's are a Human Life [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vp7NAsS02Y[/url]
Choosing Embryo Adoption [url]http://www.perspectivespress.com/carembryo.html[/url]
Resolve: Embryo Donation - A Family Building Option
An Online Guide for Potential Recipients of Donated Embryos [url]http://www.resolve.org/site/PageServer?pagename=lrn_wamo_pr[/url]
Resolve: Embryo Donation - A Family Building Option
An Online Guide for Potential Embryo Donors [url]http://www.resolve.org/site/PageServer?pagename=lrn_wamo_pd[/url]
[size=150]Books[/size]
Before You Were Born...Our Wish For A Baby (The Story of Embryo Donation) - by Janice Grimes
Embryo Donation and Embryo Adoption: Loving Choices for Christians - by John D. Van Regenmorter, Slyvia A. Van Regenmorter
Hope & Will Have a Baby: The Gift of Embryo Donation - by Iréné Celcer
A Blessing from Above (Little Golden Book) by Patti Henderson (Author), Elizabeth Edge (Illustrator)
[size=150]Personal Stories![/size]
Lancaster embryo adoption story [url]http://www.truveo.com/Lancaster-embryo-adoption-story/id/1451788909[/url]
Twins adopted as embryos [url]http://www.baptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?id=25943[/url]
EMBRYO ADOPTION: Saving lives and building families [url]http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=23365[/url]
EMBRYO ADOPTION: Unique process was answer to three years of infertility for Houston, Texas couple [url]http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=23366[/url]
EMBRYO ADOPTION: Birth of twins, formerly frozen embryos, gives young couple unique outlook on stem cell debate [url]http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=23372[/url]
EMBRYO ADOPTION: 'It's the cure for infertility,' mother says after giving birth to 2 children through embryo adoption [url]http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=23384[/url]
For This Child I Prayed [url]http://www.bethany.org/A55798/bethanyWWW.nsf/c79edbd86c517a1d852569c800702556/98d1255a5f22fdbe85257289006fa5f7?OpenDocument[/url]
Goodness of God [url]http://www.bethany.org/A55798/bethanyWWW.nsf/c79edbd86c517a1d852569c800702556/b3743aca1e62933d85257289006f62cf?OpenDocument[/url]
[size=150]Other Embryo Adoption Message Boards/Support:[/size]
Bethany Christian Services: [url]http://discussion.bethany.org/index.php[/url]
Cafe Mom: [url]http://www.cafemom.com/[/url]
Child of My Heart: [url]http://s1.zetaboards.com/Child_Of_My_Heart/index/[/url]
Hannah's Prayer: [url]http://hannahsprayer.org/board/index.php?act=idx[/url]
Note: Hannah's Prayer is a private forum. Joining is free. You have to post an intro, and then a total of 10 posts before you see all the forums, including the very active Embryo Adoption forum.
Stepping Stones: [url]http://stepforums.bethany.org/index.php?sid=def9240254aa88e57ca0c50f2bccc435[/url]
[size=150]Canada[/size]
Frozen dreams [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2003/nov/16/health.genetics[/url]
Embryo adoption solves dilemma for Cdn couple [url]http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20020831/embryo_adoption_020831/[/url]
Embryo-adoption program to offer couples last chance: [url]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/RTGAMArticleHTMLTemplate?tf=tgam/realtime/fullstory_print.html&cf=tgam/realtime/config-neutral&articleDate=20020304&slug=wxembry&date=20020304&archive=RTGAM&site=Front[/url]
Another new agency!
[url]http://www.adoptionsfromtheheart.org/heartbeats/index.html[/url]
The program is called Heartbeats, and it is through Adoptions from the Heart.
Another new agency! This one is run by a church! :)
[url]http://adoptanembryo.net/[/url]
Embryo Adoption Services of Cedar Park
Thursday, September 17, 2009
Housing
Well, we might be selling our townhome and building a single family home again. I'm very excited about this. Guess we'll know more for sure in a couple weeks when we sit down with the builder.
James - Bible Study
Well, I have been asked to help co-facilitate a small group Bible study. It starts as a large group, and we'll have about 10 women in our small group together. It will be fun! We're doing the Nav Press book (if I remember right). I've completed the first few chapters, and it's a wonderful study! It is about growing in Christ, going through trials, and asking God for wisdom, and DOING. You cannot just read the Bible. You have to act upon what you've read too. You must live out your life in Christ, not just read about it.
So I'm excited to learn more about living out the Word too.
And in ties in nicely with what we're doing at the church the next 7 weeks too. We're going to be studying living inside out. Allowing Christ to work through us, and for us to show Christ to those around us. Also going to be very interesting! :)
So I'm excited to learn more about living out the Word too.
And in ties in nicely with what we're doing at the church the next 7 weeks too. We're going to be studying living inside out. Allowing Christ to work through us, and for us to show Christ to those around us. Also going to be very interesting! :)
The Duggars
Well the Duggars are expecting #19, and I'm very happy for them! When I heard they were expecting, I also heard they had experienced miscarriage long ago. So I went and read their blog: http://www.duggarfamily.com/aboutus.html
Of course they need to update that a baby was born, and they're expecting again. :) But we've been on birth control because of the embryo adoption. So I was discussing this with Joerg, and we prayed about it, and stopped the birth control. It is a while (May) before we will do another embryo adoption cycle. So we're seeing what God has in store for us. :) Very exciting!
Jim Bob & Michelle Duggar married July 21st, 1984. At that time, they chose to use the birth control pill. They thought, “We don’t want children right now. We can’t afford them. We want children in our timing, when we’re ready.” Four years later they decided to have their first child. Then, Michelle went back on the pill, but she conceived and had a miscarriage. At that point they talked with a Christian medical doctor and read the fine print in the contraceptives package. They found that while taking the pill you can get pregnant and then miscarry. They were grieved! They were Christians! They were pro-life! They realized that their selfish actions had taken the life of their child. They prayed and asked God to forgive them, and to teach them to love children like He loves children. They asked God to bless them with as many children as He saw fit in His timing. Right after that Michelle got pregnant with twins! To date they have been blessed with 17 children, (10 boys and 7 girls) Joshua (& wife Anna), Jana & John-David (twins), Jill, Jessa, Jinger, Joseph, Josiah, Joy-Anna, Jedidiah & Jeremiah (twins), Jason, James, Justin, Jackson, Johannah, Jennifer (and #18 due in January 2009!).
Of course they need to update that a baby was born, and they're expecting again. :) But we've been on birth control because of the embryo adoption. So I was discussing this with Joerg, and we prayed about it, and stopped the birth control. It is a while (May) before we will do another embryo adoption cycle. So we're seeing what God has in store for us. :) Very exciting!
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